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Read that you were personally recruited by Ken Griffin to work at Citadel. What was that experience like? Like my first week, Ken brought me these, like, track records of other funds and and Ken said, oh. Today, we're interviewing boy genius Vlad. He is the founder and CEO of Lighter, one of the top protocols in crypto. He is a former Citadel employee, personally recruited by Ken Griffin at the age of 18 years old to help build out the desks at Citadel. Stay here. He's about to deliver some crazy insights for you on how to trade the market. Vlad, thank you so much for joining us today. It's a
Thanks for having me.
Yeah. I have but we were talking a little bit before the pod, and one thing that struck me is you've had a very interesting life, man. Like, you've crossed paths with some very interesting people and I think have lived a life that a lot of other people have no conception of. And it's kind of interesting because it starts in Northern Virginia. You're at high school at a magnet called Tom Thomas Jefferson. And I heard that you were you were actually there with the other Vlad, with the Robin Hood Vlad. And that
That's right. And, yeah, it's like I'm like, you know, Forrest Gump if he had been a math person That's sort of encountering different different people who ended up shaping the world.
Yeah. And and and while you were while you were there, you were very active in the physics Olympiad and the informatics Olympiad as well. Yes. What drove you to to do this? Did you always have an innate interest in in math and science?
Yeah. I mean, for sure, I I think that I always liked numbers and, you know, structures and and things like that, and programming got into that when I was eight. But I think that, you know, it turned out, I'm a very competitive person. I didn't really know that I was until I discovered these competitions when I was around 12. And then done the stuff really quick for me because before I was like, okay, this math and science stuff is kind of interesting, I'm kind of good at it, but like, I don't know exactly, know,
maybe I'll become
a scientist or something, but like I don't know exactly how that works. But with competitions, you have a very clear feedback loop and you can kind of practice and get better. It all kind of clicked for me and accelerated the progress.
You said you were programming at eight. What could you possibly have been programming at eight?
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