DeepSeek Panic, US vs China, OpenAI $40B?, and Doge Delivers with Travis Kalanick and David Sacks
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Alright, everybody. Welcome back to the All In podcast. We've got an incredible crew today. Don't forget to go to our YouTube, blah blah blah. Subscribe. And make sure you check out Freyberg's surprise drop with his hero, Ray Dalio, live on all platforms today. How did that come about? Freyberg's little surprise drop. Just
great. Was talking with Ray about his new book, which he just published on how countries go broke. Obviously, for
a free topic going broke now, Friedberg? America?
I think he talks a lot about the historical context of what's gone on with the debt cycles in different countries. And, basically, at the end of the book, he has a pretty, I think, important recommendation to try and get the US to roughly 3% of GDP as our net deficit, net of all expense, including interest expense. So that's the recommendation to the administration. I think it's pretty timely, with the change in administration. Anyway, great topics to talk through and really important book.
Awesome. Well done. And we are super delighted to have in the red throne, Travis Cowan. He is the cofounder and CEO of Cloud Kitchens. He also worked in the cab business for a little bit, cofounder and former CEO of Uber. And, yeah, we had a great interview at the All In Summit last year, and he's back up from his media hiatus. He's been in the lab working on cloud kitchens. How you doing brother? I'm
doing really well. I, I gotta say, just like at the summit, Jason, I'm I'm yes. It's an honor to be in the presence of such a prominent Uber investor. Absolutely.
Absolutely. I mean, finally, somebody has recognized my, the great contribution, the
greatness of JCal. Yes,
absolutely. I'll mention it 3 or 4 times. We'll be Appreciate
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