The Fight Over Open Source AI, Anthropic's $1.5B Payout, NYC Socialists: Evictions = Violence?
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Alright, everybody. Welcome back. Episode two eighty two of the world's greatest podcast. It's your podcaster's favorite podcast. It's your mom's favorite podcast. It's the all in podcast. With me again, David Saks from my bio up to you, David Friedberg. It was a big week. It was a big week. The continuing number one story in the world is Kimi k three. It sparked a debate about banning Chinese open source models here in The United States, and it's gone all the way to the White House last Friday. We talked about it here. China's Moonshot AI released Kimi k three. Open source model, obviously, p
I think where it's all leading to is an effort to ban open source models. There's a lot of breadcrumbs leading here. If you look at a lot of the rhetoric around how models need to have guardrails and that with open source models, the guardrails can be removed and therefore they're dangerous. You see this rhetoric already in Anthropics blog posts. Any threat that they describe, they kind of go out of their way to take that shot at open source models. I think again, they're trying to create ideas or put predicate facts in the public record to justify an action later on. I think it's just a matte
Alright. There it is, Sax. What's going on at the White House? What is the administration's position here? Why are we getting multiple is the White House testing and and probing to figure out what their position is here, or is it just this is a super dynamic situation? What's going on?
Well, look. I mean, I have it on good authority that there is no decision by the White House to ban open source models, and I think they want that known. I think there's an ongoing conversation happening around what to do about Chinese distillation, and we should talk about that. But no decision has been made, and the president listens to a chorus of voices. He wants to get advice from as many people as possible. And I'm confident that if everybody weighs in, that the president will make the right decision as he always has with these tech issues. I think his instincts have been absolutely impe
Where do you stand? Where do you stand, Sax? That's what everybody wants to know.
Yeah. I think it's important for me to make my opinion known in the spirit of, again, contributing my voice so the president hears all perspectives and then can make the best decision. Look, I think it would be a tragic mistake if the government were to take action against the open source ecosystem. That would do nothing but hurt America's position in this AI race. It would backfire badly. And I think that the key point here is that regardless of what you think about distillation, you cannot punish American developers for it. So, you know, you can't say that American companies and American dev
of the world will be using those things. And let
me just say, I've said for a while that Anthropic is guilty of regulatory capture of attempts to seek government protection. This is a company that is the fastest growing tech company at scale in history. They started the year at 10,000,000,000 of ARR. They're now over 70,000,000,000 of ARR. This is not a company that needs government protection. This is not a company is under threat from competitors or or whether they're Chinese or otherwise. And yet they have been very successful at trying to panic everybody into thinking that they need some sort of government protection. And the tell on thi
Yes. They could and that is that is achievable. They could block it. So
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