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What does Ethereum get from having l twos? Right? Because I think some people are now all the way on the end of the spectrum. They're like, oh, the roll up centric road map was a big mistake. I think that's wrong. I think we are quite confident with that's imprint. That's the right road map. It's, again, we just neglected the l one. It's a role centric road map around a very strong l one. That's where we basically need to get to. Right? And so what is the benefit of having the l twos? I think there's two that I see, and I think over time, maybe we will see two different types or, like, some di
Welcome to Bankless, where we explore the frontier of Internet money and Internet finance. And today, we're exploring the frontier of Ethereum. Bankless nation, the Ethereum ship is slowly turning itself around. As the largest decentralized ecosystem, this is a slow process. The signals that something is wrong in Ethereum have gotten stronger and stronger as other ecosystems have grown in strength and captured the marginal growth of the industry, all while the ETH price has lagged the market for almost three years now. In 2025, it's no longer about whether there is or is not a problem, but rat
very well.
This should be super awesome. Thanks,
David. Super awesome. Yeah. We are the two guests on the episode today, Ansgar and Dankrat, two researchers at the Ethereum Foundation, who I gather have just talked a bunch about Ethereum strategy as it has been adapting, kinda like sussing out new directions and new strategies for itself. Ansgar, Dankrat, welcome back to Bankless. Thank
you. Yeah. Thank you. Excited to be here.
Okay. So there are just a bunch of topics that I want to run through, and I think we eventually will run through all of them, but most of them at least through the course of this episode. But I think we need to first start with kind of defining the problem. Because you can feel a problem in the Ethereum community, and there has been many attempts at defining what that problem is. People saying it's, you know, we emphasize roll ups too much. Other people will say it's Ethereum culture. There's a whole slew of possible problems that are plaguing the Ethereum community, and no one has really conc
I think it's been a little bit challenging actually to define the problem maybe because Twitter actually doesn't lend itself to nuance discourse. Who
knew? But
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