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Welcome to Bankless. Today on the podcast, I have 0xBred and John Charbonneau. Bred and John are both informal researchers, educators in crypto and both have been active commentators on the evolution of the Ethereum roadmap and the position that Ethereum finds itself downstream of the design choices that it's made. The recent episode that I did with Onkar and Dankrat has changed the conversation around Ethereum as people are now imagining a different future for what Ethereum could be. One where the Ethereum layer one has a renewed focus and attention from Ethereum leadership. Still a roll up c
me. So here I am. Yeah.
John, also, it has been a while. It's good to see you back on the podcast, my man. How's it
going? Good to be back on.
Yeah. Okay. So we just put out this episode, that we titled Ethereum's Strategic Pivot. I think it's going around the Ethereum community, kind of making waves in the Ethereum community. Haven't really seen it go outwards too far beyond that. I think the Ethereum community is still kind of digesting and processing it. But it seems to have struck a pretty meaningful tone. People are taking this episode pretty seriously, this conversation very seriously. And I wanted to start by getting your guys' reactions and reflections on, the episode. John, you've been a commentator of Ethereum's malaise and
Yeah. I'm I mean, my very TLDRs, I thought it was great. I I'd share I share, like, a a mix of the kind of the same sentiments that Ansgar and Dunkirk kinda had at the end of it, which was particularly, Dunkirk was going out of, like, you know, the the I mean, the big next step from here is, you know, obviously, a lot of this is, like, it's a lot of talk. It's a lot of vibe change. It's a lot of stuff like that. Like, we need to ship actual things. And so that is obviously the big concrete open question is, you know, what is this gonna lead to very concretely over the next, you know, six, twel
Would you say you share the same, Rose and Thorn that, was pointed out at the end there by Donkrod? Like, the Rose was, like, feels great. Like, acknowledgment of the problem stepping forward, but still, like, yeah. Well, you haven't done anything. Right? K. Still gotta deliver. Would you say you're in that same same camp?
Yeah. Very very much the same thing, which is, you know, I I mean, in a in an absolute sense, I I like, that is obviously the more important thing is that nothing concretely has, like, actually, like, really changed or shipped or whatever in reflection of this. But with an understanding of, you know or I mean, like, the the stuff I was talking about was, what's maybe five, six months ago, something like that at this point. There's only so much you could change in a period, like, in that period of time. I think the best that you could ask for over the course of, you know, a few months is someth
what was your takeaway?
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