LIMITLESS - AI DEBATE: Runaway Superintelligence or Normal Technology? | Daniel Kokotajlo vs Arvind
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Hey, everyone. Ryan here. I think you guys are going to enjoy this debate because, I certainly did. The debate you're about to hear was recorded by David and I for our new limitless podcast feed where I occasionally guest host along with David and our new cohost, Josh. So this is a debate that has been ringing in my head. Maybe I'd I'd say keeping me up at night ever since our episode two years ago with Eliezer Yukowski. The question, is AI normal technology? Is it a tool we can control, maybe like the Internet or electricity? Or is it more like a new species of superintelligence? Is it someth
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everyone. I've been looking forward to this conversation all month. Maybe maybe for many months, I've gotta say. So the central question on today's episode is, is AI normal technology? Maybe it's something like the industrial revolution. We've been through that before. Or is it very, very abnormal? Is there incredible variance? Is it something between utopia and annihilation? It could go either way. It's like nothing we've ever dealt with in the past. We've got two guests on today that are going to discuss, or I might use the word debate this subject. We've got Arvind Narayanan. He is a Prince
you. I'm really excited. Thank you for having me.
We also have Daniel Covitello. He is an ex OpenAI researcher. He's the author of an incredible report called AI 2027, which is like a month by month forecast of AI progress all the way to AGI, which I bet you can guess the year in which he predicts that's coming. He thinks AI is very, very much not normal and, might become super intelligent by the time you upgrade your next iPhone. So pretty soon, Daniel, welcome to the podcast. Thank
you for having me. Excited
to discuss. Alright, guys. This is gonna be a lot of fun. We've got seven topics to go through, and we'll see if we get to all seven. We're gonna do this in a compare and contrast way. I'm going to seed the conversation. David's gonna help and then just fire you right into the topics. You guys ready? Let's
do it. Okay.
The first topic on the agenda. The question, is AI normal technology, or is AI very much not normal like nothing we've seen before? Is this kind of a a tool that we can control, or is this a new species destined for its own autonomy? Arvin, I've got a quote from you to kind of set the scene maybe in your perspective. You said this, AI belongs with electricity and the Internet. It's transformative, but, yes, it's still a tool. Daniel, on the other side, you said this, this isn't another general purpose tech, talking about AI. It's a new species about to outthink us. Arvind, I'm gonna start this
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