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We need to think about how do we embrace more to bring on better human capital in specific verticals. Once we do that, once we have that ability, we are going to be able to execute and respond to the needs of our builders and our users much more effectively. Right? We're not gonna be pulled in a million different directions. If we wanna think about how do we help grow the DeFi category, what can we offer to early stage projects that we don't offer today to make them embrace arbitration? How can we do all of these things? When we have people who it's their authority mandate responsibility and t
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Michael. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.
Me too, man. I'm really excited. We've got a lot to discuss here today, and I'm pumped about this because I think there's gonna be a little something for everyone in this episode. We're gonna be talking about this very bold and ambitious vision that you're unveiling for, the arbitrum DAO today. And there's some very interest I think you've done some very interesting work, and I had a lot of moments reading your own personal take on just how to think about l twos versus l ones and this strategy for how you're viewing Arbitrum on a long term basis. And then there's also a a real mechanical shift
Yeah. No. A %. So, I think it's a really interesting and smart place to start because I think a lot of the conversation is actually going to flow from those differences and what Mhmm. DAOs and communities and ecosystems can do as a function of the economics of these ecosystems. But the place to start is, obviously, I think in many ways, and even if you look at, like, arbitrum chains, like, people like to say, I can't remember who coined it. It's chains and bridges in some ways. Right? And different blockchains, depending on their architecture, have different setups. And arbitrum, you know, to
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an absolute superpower. And I think that, like, I think part of this is that, you know, there's so many l twos, and a lot of them have different visions. And maybe they have different mandates. Like, Arbitrum, I think, We can talk about, like, how I think about that mandate in a second, but it's one of the biggest challenges of the l one business model because we just the industry hasn't been around long enough, in my opinion, to see it play out. But what happens is is basically every l one and historically, almost every l two and even Arbi
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