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There is something else that I I I think like the dream. Right? I talk about these hockey stick moments in terms of, like, is that like debt instruments and using Unchained to facilitate it. I mentioned this elsewhere recently, but I would really really love it if we could somehow get into a position where we could say like, oh, hey. I have a bakery in Chicago and I'd like to establish some debt for that on chain. So that you could actually see that you're, you know, you were facilitating some real world goods because there is a very potent argument to be made that, like, really all we're doin
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works. Yeah.
Yeah. And, actually, I I found you a lot of I've been a long time Twitter follower of yours, but I saw you tweeting about some of the features in, in Wildcat, v 2, which I'm excited to to dig into you with about today. But I actually wanted to get a sense before we get into some of the specifics of Wildcat, which allows for fixed rate borrower lending undercollateralized lending, which has been this long sought after and talked about category within the DeFi lending space. Can you just give us a little bit of a sense of the history of lending in crypto? There's been a sort of an off chain hist
Fair enough. Also, good to be here. Thanks very much for inviting me. Thanks,
Pat. Thanks for hopping on. Thanks
for hopping on. I do think that, you know, ever ever since going, you know, the launch of Ethereum and the the rise of smart contracts as as something that you could kind of meaningfully use to basically put out whatever you wanted into, This possibility of doing lending in an undercollateralized way was always there and has happened on chain in in several ways as we've seen, you know, like, and they've not all been failures. Some of them work really well and they they still work. However, when it comes to DeFi in general and and and crypto, we've got this, you know, don't trust, verify, kind
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