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How Does Claude 4 Think? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken – Dwarkesh Podcast — Transcript

How Does Claude 4 Think? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Episode publishedMay 22, 2025Podcast: Dwarkesh PodcastDwarkesh Podcast↗

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Dwarkesh

Okay. I'm joined again by my friends, Sholto Bricken. Wait. Fuck. Did

Sholto

I do this last? You did

Trenton

this. No.

Sholto

No. No.

Trenton

You named us differently, but we didn't have Sholto Bricken and Trenton Douglas. Sholto

Dwarkesh

Douglas and Trenton Bricken, who are now both at Anthropic. Yeah. Sholto Let's go. Sholto is scaling RL. Trenton's still working on mechanistic interoperability. Welcome

Trenton

back. Happy

Sholto

to be here. Yeah.

Trenton

It's fun.

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