Ryan Selkis on the Existential Struggle for Crypto in the U.S.

Speaker 0: I mean, the the worst case is the status quo. Ripple has spent over $100, 000, 000 on lawsuits. Grayscale spent 2 years, God knows how much money on their lawsuit. Coinbase and Kraken, relentless defense and offense that I'm sure has racked up tens of 1, 000, 000 if not getting close to the 9 figure mark. There are only so many companies that can do that, and eventually people need to realize that the state has unlimited resources and unlimited funds to pursue people regardless of how egregious their misbehavior is.

Look at the debt box case in, I think it was, the SEC branch in Utah. They dissolved that office because it was so corrupt. That office doesn't exist anymore and now what I said is true, I want that to happen to the other 11 branches and that's gonna be my goal for the rest of the year is to, you know, slowly disassemble every

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Big thanks to Mantle. Alright, everyone. Welcome back to Empire. Highly anticipated episode. We booted Santi for this 1.

We've got my cofounder Mike joining, and then we've got a bad man, mister 2 bit idiot, founder of Messari, also a friend and a colleague and also a competitor, Ryan Selkis. So Selkis, welcome to the show, man.

Speaker 0: We contain multitudes, you know.