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Now imagine a world, if we'd really nail this right, which I hope we do, is you onboard a 200, five hundred million users. Those users are very different than your speculator that's screaming for an airdrop and moving around. So I think, naturally, if that is true, if this industry really delivers on that promise, more value should be accruing to the application. Hey,
guys. Jason here. Just to let you know, we have permissionless four coming up in June from the twenty fourth to the twenty sixth at Industry City in Brooklyn. This is a conference for the developers and builders where we'll be focusing on the DeFi renaissance, applications, token design, and much more. Click the link in the show notes to grab your ticket today and use code empire 10 for 10% off. These are the true believers right here. If you guys wanna know what, like, I think a crypto conference in 2014 felt like, it's like this room. Like, the la the last hey. We're hanging on. So how we do
This feels like, my first conference, that I went to was in New York in the Bitcoin Soho Center. Yeah. And I was working at JPMorgan at the time. I had, like, a suit and tie, you know, snuck out of the office. And we'll go down to Soho. Everyone looks at me like a a an alien. They're like, you've clearly in the wrong room. Like, we don't welcome suits very much to gonna take over and blow up JPMorgan. But, anyways, it felt like this. Like, no one's there. Like, the Andreas Antonopoulos videos Yeah.
He's, like, standing there. He's the only one presenting and Yeah.
Yeah. We can't promise we're gonna deliver so much alpha as Andreas Antonopoulos, like, in, you know, 02/2010 talking about Bitcoin. But Yeah.
Does anyone here listen to the Empire podcast? Do you guys have any idea what that is? This guy. Let's go. This guy. I love it. Cool. Well, thanks for listening. So Santi and I have been hosting this podcast for five years. It's called Empire. Maybe I'd love to let's talk about token takeaways. One of the things BlockWorks does is run a bunch of conferences. We see a lot of conferences. We've both been in the industry for a while. We've seen kind of a lot of volatility, a lot of different narratives come and go. What are your big takeaways from the last couple days in Dubai? Maybe there's the
I think it's, I started noticing in, earlier in DaaS this year, and I think it's still true, here, which is I just sense that there's more excitement in the about crypto from BlackRocks of the world, Apollo of the world, Stripe, Visa, Mastercard. I mean, there's a lot of announcements this week. And not just because there was announcements this week. I just generally feel that look. We've been in an environment where prices have either gone down for the vast majority of crypto assets, And that naturally has washed away many crypto natives. But, you were talking about this, but, like, you know,
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Well, as much as I miss some of my friends, you know, I think it's, it's really exciting to see young blood. Why? Becau
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