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The market for institutional demand of crypto is hotter than it's ever been. I think ETF flows are gonna accelerate. I'm feeling pretty bullish. Everything is an ETF. Yeah. That is exactly right. And so everything's gonna be in crypto. We're gonna see single assets. We're gonna see index based. We're gonna see thematic. We're gonna see levered. You're gonna see all of it come to market. Most crypto investors have a very specific opinion about individual assets. And most TradFi investors, as I said on my panel here, don't know how to pronounce Solana. For the first seven years, I was at Bitwise
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Thank you, Matt.
Out of Bitwise. Yeah. I'm glad to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah. You're another one that I always try to catch at these conferences. We chatted at DAS New York class, I think, in March. Yep. And at that time, was a really interesting one because we were talking about how all of crypto Twitter were super bearish at the time. And then just walking around the conference, all these institutions were just so fired up about stablecoins, ETFs, Bitcoin, everything. And that was mostly proven correct in terms of the direction. And, yeah, here we are again.
Here we are again, and institutions are still just as fired up about Yeah. Bitcoin, stablecoins, tokenization. In fact, I'd say they're more fired up. We even have a a term for the Bitcoin trade now on TradFi, the debasement trade. It's been officially branded. That's sort of a stage of maturation. And then there's the stablecoin trade. But yeah, I would say the market for institutional demand of crypto is hotter than it's ever been. I think ETF flows are going to accelerate. I'm feeling pretty bullish.
Right on. Right on. Yeah, was reading your latest notes. You write a weekly newsletter. And you were saying that you thought, I think this year's ETF flows were going to surpass twenty twenty four, right?
That is right.
Yep. What's the thinking there?
Well, for one, I should say that's the norm in ETF land.
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