Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]
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This year's presenting sponsor for Invest Like the Best is Ramp. Ramp has built a command and control system for companies' finances. You can issue cards, manage approvals, make vendor payments of all kinds, and even automate closing your books all in one place. We did an incredibly deep dive on the company and its product as part of this new partnership, and what we heard and saw in customer surveys over and over again was that Ramp is the best product by far. We've been users ourselves since I started my business since long before I was able to spend so much time with the founders of Ramp an
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guest today is Chris Pedragal. Chris is the founder and CEO of Granola, an AI powered notepad that transcribes your meetings and enhances your meeting notes. Chris shares fascinating insights on how humans have historically developed tools to extend our cognitive capabilities from writing and mathematical notation to data visualization, and how AI represents the next frontier in this evolution. We explore competitive dynamics between model providers and application builders, and Chris shares his vision for AI tools that make us better rather than replacing humans altogether. Our conversation c
love this topic. I think, fundamentally, humans are toolmakers. It's one of the things that, like, just sets us apart from other animals. If you look back at the history, there have been these inventions, tools that were invented that just enabled humans to do so much more. And the interesting thing about that is some of those are really just explicitly tools for thinking Examples there could be writing is a great example, different mathematical notation with Roman numerals. So you can only do math up to a certain number in your head without an abacus. Whereas with the notation we use now, you
Maybe just talk about that transition. Mention what you're building at a high level first, and then we'll go into it much more detail later. But as we transition into understanding what new tools are possible built on top of this new technology, how are you personally approaching that? What were the original things that you thought of when you saw some of these LLMs? Walk us through this phase change. One
observation. I think that's interesting about these tools for thought is that oftentimes what these tools do is they let you externalize things that you have to hold in your head. One of the most ubiquitous tools for thought today is a notepad and a pencil. And when you use a notepad and you write things down, it just means you don't have to hold everything in your head. And you can look at these ideas or look at these notes. And to use an analogy, it's a bit like extending the RAM. The amount of like RAM that we have in our heads are hard coded by physical limitations. And these tools basical
How does that manifest? Is it that everything in my life, like everything I've read and conversations that I have, everything is ultimately stored, and then there's some mechanism for me feeding my current context back to some system, and it serves up ideas or brainstorm concepts. Make this a little bit more real in terms of your vision.
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