#450 – Bernie Sanders Interview

The following is a conversation with Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont and 2 time presidential candidate, both times as the underdog who, against the long odds, captivated the support and excitement of millions of people, both on the left and the right. And now a quick few second mention of each sponsor. Check them out in the description. It's the best way to support this podcast. We got 8sley for naps, Salie for eSIM magic, Ground News for nonpartisan presentation of the truth, a g one for vitamins, and element for electrolytes. Choose wisely, my friends. Also, if you wanna get in touch wi

Not in a million years.

Yeah. I know that you hate talking about yourself, which is rare for a politician, I would say. What's your philosophy behind that? You like talking about the issues. You

like talking about I mean, you know, everybody talks about themselves. It's not about me. You know, nice guy, not a nice guy. What's the what, you know, politics should be about is the issues facing the people of our country, the people of the world, and how we're gonna address it. That's what it should be.

That said, there's interesting aspects to your life story. For example, in, 1963, you were very active in, the civil rights movement, got arrested even for protesting segregation in Chicago. And, you attended the the famous march on Washington where MLK gave his, I have a dream speech. What was that like? It's

extraordinary. Took a bus ride down with fellow students in the University of Chicago, and it was a zillion people there. I'm not sure if it was the first time I'd ever been in Washington in my life, but it was, you know, it was a very impressive moment. And what he was talking about, what people very often forget about that, it was not only racial justice, it was jobs. Jobs and justice, that was the name of that rally. And, so it's something I've never forgotten. What,

influence did he have on you? What what'd you learn about the way he, enacted change in the world?

King was a very impressive guy. More impressive, I think, than people think that he was. And what he did is he created his movement from the bottom on up. So he developed real organization, grassroots organization, which put pressure on communities and officials to end segregation, to open up voting patterns. And I think what has to also be remembered about King, which is really quite extraordinary, is, you know, he won the Nobel Peace Prize, and there was, oh, you're great. You're wonderful. But then to the end of his life, he took on Lyndon Johnson on the war in Vietnam. And as soon as he di

on the war front, one of the things that, people don't often talk about your work in politics, you gave what I think is, a truly brave speech on on on the Iraq war in, 2,000 2, I believe. You voted no on the Iraq resolution. You voted no on the Patriot Act, and, you basically predicted very accurately what would happen if we go into Iraq. What was your thinking at the time behind the those speeches behind voting no on the Patriot Act on the Iraq resolution? It