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my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Alright. Hello, Rebecca. Very nice to meet you.
Hi, Joe. Very nice to meet you too.
So, first of all, what got you interested in mind control? Well,
so this is a question I've been asking myself just because I find myself after two and a half decades of having this topic that initially seemed pretty niche and unusual, and not many people were interested or many people were skeptical about it. But I thought it seemed like it embodied some of the more extreme. If you could look at the way people are shaped by their environments and by their you know, what parts of your life are determined by you and what parts are determined by outside forces that mind control would be a perfect area to investigate that because it's so extreme, especially if
When you first started studying it, was it a a less, public sort of curiosity? Because now a lot of people are very much interested. I blame the Internet mostly. I probably had a lot to do with it too. But this You
and the Internet. A
lot of people on the Internet are, you know because over time, you know, people have gotten to know about MK Ultra and a a bunch of different different programs that the that our own United States government was involved in, where they were working on mind control. But what like, initially, what drew you to it?
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