#18 - Claire Lehmann
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Claire, welcome to the Network Safety Podcast. You're the editor and founder of Colette, which was, for a while combating, you know, the craziness on the left. Now, you actually also combat to a large extent craziness on the right. Basically, enlightened centrism for a long time. And, you know, we don't agree on everything. We agree on a lot of things. Do you wanna give the quick spiel on Colette and everything you've done over the years? Sure.
Well, thanks for having me on, Balashi. It's a real honor to be talking with you. So I founded Colette about a decade ago, and at the time, I was reacting mostly to what I perceived to be increasingly hyperbolic sort of left wing narratives, particularly in media that were untethered to any kind of evidence or statistical reality. So I was studying psychology at the time, and I had been trained to look at sociological questions through a quantitative viewpoint. And, you know, I was reading stuff in media particularly on the issue of gender that was simplistic I knew was false and so I just had
Yeah. And I I do think that they call the right reactionary because it reacts. It does move second. And so I do put some blame may much of the blame on the left for creating today's right because the reasonable you know, like like the Romney style reasonable center right kind of person or even the Bloomberg Democrat center left or what have you. That person was just given a hole in their head, and essentially, it was like a natural selection process of antibiotic resistance to select for an unreasonable right. And Yeah. And now, of course, that right is unreasonable. So there you go. That's ha
The communists not only described liberals as being fascists in the nineteen twenties and thirties, they described slightly watered down communists as fascists. You know, the the the extreme left has always demonized their enemies as fascists, and then they create support for a genuine fascist movement. And then, you know, lots of people are by that stage, they're exhausted. They can't fight the extreme left anymore. So I I would agree with that analysis.
That's right. Now the the thing about that is, of course, it is an unreasonable right. And so now you're caught between it it's kinda like in physics, there's this concept of, an induced dipole moment. Do you know what that is? Okay. So, basically, when you've got, like, an external electrical field, then you can have, like you you push the charge over to one side, like, the positive charge, and then the negative charge is on this side, and now suddenly the thing is polarized. Right? And so, like, in the presence of an electrical field, this thing can the polarization that didn't exist before
refresh me.
Sure. So like in the twentieth century, you had South Korea and North Korea. You had East Germany and West Germany. You had, you know, Hong Kong and and Taiwan on the one hand, and you had the PRC on the other hand. And what people sort of kind of forget is that both capitalism and actually communism and actually fascism all arguably originated at least in part in America. And this is something that Yarvin has written about, but other people have written about it. Like, the the right version of it is, or, you know, left ringers correctly say, oh, a lot of Hitler's ideas came from the Confedera
I'm familiar with your your that that thesis that history is running in reverse. I would just, push back just a little bit on this on the idea that the, you know, fascism and communism I mean, there's of course, there's some American connections. You know, Ho Chi Minh was in New Yo
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