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It's never been a better time to build in crypto. And, you know, to Luca's point, you you can really feel that we're in this inflection point at the moment.
The great entrepreneurs will get greater. More people in the middle are gonna be looking for a way to kind of find opportunity. There's no better opportunity than navigating the on chain rails that is crypto rails. And I also think that the top entrepreneurs from other industries are really starting to come in here and starting to compete, which I think is gonna raise the bar for everyone.
Hey, everyone. If you're watching this rather than listening, apologies that I could not be on video for this episode. Regardless, this was a fun conversation with Luca Nebs and Brandon Millman about how crypto goes mainstream and which players are well positioned to bring the masses on chain. Some of the more interesting questions we raised were around the future of Coinbase, which is trying for the first time to be a more product focused company. Luca feels like it should focus on its core strength, which is around business deals. Meanwhile, Brandon feels that an everything app is just an im
Hey. Happy to be here. Yeah. Thank you.
Alright. So we are at a very interesting stage in crypto's development. It feels like we're at this moment where everything feels like it's about adoption. There's all these major fintech players and banks, even multinationals that are either making moves into crypto or at least exploring getting into crypto. And we also have crypto companies that are either teaming up with such players or encroaching on kind of like the more typical TradFi ish areas like payments. So I want to talk about all of these different players, but first, let's just kind of zoom out and look at how would you character
Yeah. Totally. Well, yeah, first of all, yeah, thanks, Laura, for for having me on again. And, yeah, I really, really appreciate opportunity to chat a little bit about Fantom, what what's going on. And, yeah, obviously, a really super exciting time to be building a crypto company as an entrepreneur and and and founder of a company. And, yeah, for, you know, for for many different reasons, obviously, like you stated, it feels like adoption is is really been surging lately. You see every every day there's a new headline about some finance fintech company, some more traditional finance institutio
No. I think it's I think it's a good take. I think I would probably how I view it is I think this is, the great inflection point. I think the great paradigm shift here. I think one of the things we underwrote when we were assessing buying pudgy penguins, I remember talking to the my my co founders at the time. I told them, I was like, there's no industry in crypto where the bar of entrepreneurship is so low and the ability to create a billion dollar company is so high based on that low bar. I think and I think that was really predicated on storytelling and the future potential of what could be
Yeah. So befo
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