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So, like, you know, if if I'm gonna be part of the acceleration of that world where people don't have jobs, I also wanna be part of the solution that enables people to have enough and have time to the things that they really wanna be doing. I think people could be spending a lot more time with their friends. They could be, spending time having families. They could be taking care of their parents, taking care of their children. They could be pursuing passions and art and things that aren't profitable. They could be spending their time going to space or building really hard things. I mean, I can
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are now featuring comments from influencers on the show. In the last major episode before the New Year, Solana Foundation President, Lily Lu, caused a firestorm on x when she said that she didn't think that Base could compete with Solana. She called Base, quote, a corporate l two and said that it was not only parasitic to Ethereum, but actually cannibalistic. Well, the responses were pretty overwhelming. The comments range from short clips like this one by Jenny from the block, wait, Solana is decentralized, to much longer rebuttals like this one from Adri Oferia. In it, he noted Ethereum's do
This is the January 3, 2025 episode of Unchained. Earn a 20 plus percent APR on ETH with high gain by Kelp, leveraging blue chip DeFi strategies and professional risk management. Deposit now at www.kelpdau.xyz. Polkadot is the original and leading layer 0 blockchain with over 2,000 plus developers, and the Polkadot 2.0 upgrade will be a massive accelerator for the ecosystem. Join the community at polkadot.network/ecosystem/community. Today's guest is Shaw Walters, founder of Eliza Labs. Welcome, Shaw. Thanks
for having me.
Just a quick note before we begin, everyone. I moved, and perhaps my mic got dinged up or something. I don't know. But I am having to use my computer mic because I just discovered this right before I went to record with Shaw. So apologies for the not perfect sound. So, Shaw, you have had a wild few months. Tell us how you came to launch AI 16 z. Well,
yeah, it's been very wild. I, for the last, like, I don't know, since COVID, I've basically just been programming as fast and hard as I could towards something that would, stick against the wall and, you know, and and get some traction. I've been really excited about AI agents for a long time, and I've been working in that space for a long time. And, long story short here, when this kind of AI agent meta had taken off with True Terminal and all that stuff, I'd already had an agent on Twitter. It just didn't have any traction. And it kinda needed that missing piece, which I felt like was the th
Yeah. I'm sure. Honestly, I feel like I've seen this play out in crypto so many times where things take off so fast. So, you know, I have to say, like, learning the AI 16 z, it actually reminds reminds me of the DAO from 2016. Like, were you around back then or, like, do you remember that?
Yeah. I mean, I I, I wasn't super engaged in crypto, but I always thought that DAOs are really interesting. And and I followed the kind of story of the the rise and the demise of it and and how that kinda all went down. And, and and I think that, you know, what I'm really passionate about is, like, how do we solve the problems of DAOs generally, which seem to be well, I mean, there there's, like, some things which are just, like, the practical externalities of of, you know, rugging and getting hacked and all that s
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